[older messages]
24 Jun 19, 07:54 PM
SK Nair: AR Naidu Sir, what is that without arrears as on 29 Jun 2019 . Also clarify my doubt on NB Sub Pension as requested just before.
24 Jun 19, 08:00 PM
Chief Editor: *For implementation of revised OROP* As per the info recd, executive orders have been issued without the recommendation of the commission appointed for the purpose. Message received from Gen from Para Regiment. As per govt orders related to OROP it is to be revised based on the latest equivalent pensions which is due now. PMO had set up a Committee headed by CGDA to work out this revised pension. Now the RM has apparently with the approval of PM done away with this committee and ordered
24 Jun 19, 08:00 PM
A.R.Naidu: SK.Nair just wait before 30th we may get OM iam not having 24 years , Very Soon we will have Some Positive Surprises
24 Jun 19, 08:01 PM
A.R.Naidu: CE Sirs posting should Clear your Doubts
24 Jun 19, 08:02 PM
Chief Editor: CGDA to work it out. Please Note that this message is yet to be verified.
24 Jun 19, 08:09 PM
Chief Editor: Pleade wait for confirmation of the above news.
24 Jun 19, 08:19 PM
A.R.Naidu: GN.Rao garu give correct Number , I remember you are fm; BZA & Bank Official
24 Jun 19, 08:27 PM
A.R.Naidu: OROP Fixation is addl Expenditure as Such must be Reflected in Defence Budget that may be Reason to work out Pension Liability
24 Jun 19, 08:57 PM
psrao: Test
24 Jun 19, 08:58 PM
psrao: C George garu please call me I lost your number
24 Jun 19, 09:00 PM
Gopala: Naidu sir, psr sir good evng. May be some charts have already been prepared by cgda. If it so why this cat and mouse game?
24 Jun 19, 09:03 PM
psrao: Gopala sir till last month everything is clear now games started anyway we are going to get
24 Jun 19, 09:06 PM
Gopala: Sir. The letter by cgda like stage management
24 Jun 19, 09:06 PM
A.R.Naidu: Gopal sir your guess is correct charts may be Ready mostly OM also with in short period
24 Jun 19, 09:08 PM
A.R.Naidu: They might have planned to Delay by 2 more Years Due to Financial Constrains
24 Jun 19, 09:08 PM
Avijit Sanyal: Naidu sir ,good evening . Sir, Please clear your post,at 7.46 pm. What we are going to get on 29th June?
24 Jun 19, 09:09 PM
Gopala: But first time all news papers covered the cgda letter
24 Jun 19, 09:10 PM
A.R.Naidu: Not on 29th June Sir on may 29th we had some favourable news Regarding OROP
24 Jun 19, 09:14 PM
A.R.Naidu: Babus are very intelligent we have to accept as per Political Desire they will carry out
24 Jun 19, 09:18 PM
Avijit Sanyal: But ultimately the babus will have to pay us, it's as per Lt. Nar Singh sir's post.
24 Jun 19, 09:26 PM
A.R.Naidu: Sir Practically instructions has to come fm; higher UPs
24 Jun 19, 09:29 PM
A.R.Naidu: Gopal Sir yesterday we have Seen two PPOs for same length of Service, Such fixations may Delay Decision making in preparation of tables Some Isolated cases may be
24 Jun 19, 09:42 PM
A.R.Naidu: Good night to all veterans
24 Jun 19, 09:47 PM
A.R.Naidu: Gopal Sir Execuitive Order issued For any action Or Decision By Govt; it Doesnt need Cabinet Approval if Order is Correct ,we can Understand the Urgency of Issueing it
24 Jun 19, 09:49 PM
A.R.Naidu: OK Sir let us Hopefor some more Devevelopments in coming Days
25 Jun 19, 04:27 AM
TD Kalidas: Dear Veterans, GOOD MORNING. Have a Nice Day.
25 Jun 19, 04:56 AM
James.c x sgt: Very good morning to all veterans and veer nari and CE sir have a good day.
25 Jun 19, 05:05 AM
Gopala: Good morning Naidu sir, pandey sir, James sir, sarkar sir, psr sir and all my brothers .hope for best today
25 Jun 19, 05:33 AM
A.R.Naidu: Good morning to all Veterans
25 Jun 19, 06:49 AM
Jassal61: Good morning all veteran's brother
25 Jun 19, 07:23 AM
psrao: Good morning to all
25 Jun 19, 07:24 AM
psrao: Naidu garu Gopala Sir James sir good morning
25 Jun 19, 07:37 AM
P S Sodha: Good Morning to all veteran brothers.
25 Jun 19, 08:06 AM
H/Capt NS Thapa: good morning dear veterans. have a nice day.
25 Jun 19, 08:22 AM
A.R.Naidu: As per CPI trends suggests July DA may not be less then 4%
25 Jun 19, 09:15 AM
JAMES: Good Morning to all Veterans & have a Beautiful Day
25 Jun 19, 09:15 AM
JAMES: Good morning to Gopala saab, Sarkar dada, Naidu garu, PSR garu
25 Jun 19, 09:45 AM
dogra: the issues have been debated time and again . i think the correct sequence to solve these should be ,settle the OROP , then the 7 CPC and lastly the OROP revision wef 01/07/2019 etc.
25 Jun 19, 09:53 AM
awadesh: Jai Hind all veterans with good day.
25 Jun 19, 10:01 AM
awadesh: what i feel,there is no go beyond marching to JM as Brig.K singh has reminded to the Bureaucrats,Govt,for fully OROP.
25 Jun 19, 10:25 AM
awadesh: James sir Good morning,how R U sir?
25 Jun 19, 11:28 AM
John Xavier jwo: Don't know whether this is authentic,but reports are coming in from whattsup gp that RM has ordered suspension of csd car limit letter and with PM's sanction removed committee to look in to orop2 and revision of orop as per existing govt orders,lo,
25 Jun 19, 11:38 AM
Paras N Chaurasia MCPO I: Naidu sir, good morning. What do you make out from the instructions given to CGDA to proceed to revise OROP as per procedures ? Is there any short cut in it following a separate course to close the chapter or is it to cater all the anamolies projected by the stake holders ie veteran associations like IESL, ESMA AIESMA and Veterans welfare Association? May be Voice of veterans letter find its way in formulating the chart for OROP revision. Are they catering for the demands pending with SC also?
25 Jun 19, 11:42 AM
A.R.Naidu: Sir this Information yet to be Verified, I contacted Rtd; Col.he is in the Process of Authentication
25 Jun 19, 11:49 AM
Gopala: Sirs. There is no any short cut to revise orop. There r lot of anomalies in 555 , and those retired after jul 14, some post 16 r drawing less than orop retirees , average of min and Max considered to arriving orop figures, equalisation of pay as common pay scale introduced by 7 CPC from Jan 16 etc. The above facts must be attended before arriving for a final chart. If govt think it is an urgent matter before 6 Aug, then the cgda would have made some charts and ready to implement it once OM is
25 Jun 19, 11:50 AM
Gopala: Issued by MOD. Naidu sir would have more clarity on it
25 Jun 19, 11:50 AM
A.R.Naidu: Sir no Short cut Methods , Tables has to be + Or -- Side of the DGL tables Very Defficult to Sort Out Govt; has to be Sympathetic, Because All Veterans Are Covered with X- GP Pay ( 1400 X 2.57 ) in DGL tables (2) If Common GP to be affected Fm; 1/1/16, the Possibility (A) Add; Rs 1300/- X- Gp (B) Minus 1300/- for Y-GP, Because Rs 3600/- all are Drawing
25 Jun 19, 11:50 AM
Gopala: Also the authenticity of this instr is yet to confirm
25 Jun 19, 11:54 AM
A.R.Naidu: Yes Sir
25 Jun 19, 11:55 AM
A.R.Naidu: ( 2) OR Finally No Deduction Or Addition
25 Jun 19, 12:08 PM
Gopala: If the govt consider it as urgent matter, then the situation likely to be - OM issue by mod with lot of confusion and cgda raise queries with MOD. So 06 Aug bypassed then as time and tide wait for no man.only my guess
25 Jun 19, 12:10 PM
HFO C Sukumaran: As per CDBT circular No.13/2019 dated 24 Jun 2019 the disability and service elements in respect of invalided out personnel only will be exempted from Income Tax.https://www.facebook.com/Air.Warriorss/photos/a.435361896984787/619964025191239/?type=3&theater
25 Jun 19, 12:11 PM
HFO C Sukumaran: https://www.facebook.com/Air.Warriorss/photos/a.435361896984787/619964025191239/?type=3&theater
25 Jun 19, 12:15 PM
John Xavier jwo: Sukumar sir,have u seen the latest fin min order of 4/6 restricting the IT exemption to invalid cases only,sir ,my question is who is going to be more affected the officers who are disabled one month prior to retirement or a handful of ors who who retire normally with low med category?
25 Jun 19, 12:21 PM
HFO C Sukumaran: As per various articles I have come across the disability percentage is more in officers than other ranks.
25 Jun 19, 12:29 PM
Gopala: Officers with rank of brig and above, easily got low medical category by their influences with ADMS. Then they may be at the age of 56 and above. 47% of such offrs retired with profit
25 Jun 19, 12:36 PM
awadesh: Gopala sir,HFO Sukumaran sir,Jai hind,it is said" Big fish eat only small fish." :P :cool:
25 Jun 19, 12:37 PM
psrao: As per CGDA From 06 officers DP cases increased
25 Jun 19, 12:38 PM
HFL Rajesh: Up to this time bank were nit cutting TDS from pension so disable solider were not having tax liability after this 24 jun letter will have tax liability this will be effected from this FY or we have to pay tax for previous FY as bank were not cutting TDS known vtr can clarify as previous year return yet to be filed
25 Jun 19, 12:41 PM
Chandmal Bansal: Good mornimng all veteran brothers and veer nari have nice day.
25 Jun 19, 12:41 PM
HFO C Sukumaran: One thing is clear , some one has dug out the notification iss
25 Jun 19, 12:44 PM
HFO C Sukumaran: ued in the year 1922 (R) 1922 which specifies only invalided out personnel with bodily disability are exempted from paying income tax!
25 Jun 19, 12:46 PM
HFO C Sukumaran: Now the same has been reiterated and made not applicable to superannuated personnel who are in receipt of disability pension.
25 Jun 19, 12:59 PM
HFL Rajesh: Subsequent instructions exempt all disable vtr letter dies not say this superceed previous instructions
25 Jun 19, 01:08 PM
psrao: Up to 5cpc only some higher ranks effected by IT so no one took interest to see policy letters
25 Jun 19, 01:09 PM
P kumar: DP Tax exemption. Is the word " invalidated out" was really existed in 1922 instruction or it is now inadvertantly added to cause problems for some? If it had existed why we don't find in letters of instructions yr1970 & 2001. Is their any disability pension given without service element. Why in some discharged case s Supreme court (ram avtar case ) gave directions to release broadbanding. I found in some army rule book discharged / superannuated DP cases " deemed to be invalidated.
25 Jun 19, 01:11 PM
Paras N Chaurasia MCPO I: Some of the pros being issued are far from fact that a JWO retired after 29 years of service of Y go in 2018, his BP is only 26K+ where as similar case of a Sargent gets nears 30K+.
25 Jun 19, 01:11 PM
Paras N Chaurasia MCPO I: PPOs issued for JWO.
25 Jun 19, 01:14 PM
psrao: The difference of BP in PPO for same LS and rank exists only in Y gp
25 Jun 19, 02:19 PM
HFO C Sukumaran: Invaliding from service is a necessary condition for grant of a disability pension. An individual who, at the time of his release under the Release Regulations, is in a lower medical category than that in which he was recruited will be treated as invalidated from service. JCOs/ORs & equivalents in other services who are placed permanently in a medical category other than 'A' and are discharged because no alternative employment suitable to their low medical category can be provided,
25 Jun 19, 02:19 PM
HFO C Sukumaran: as well as those who having been retained in alternative employment but are discharged before the completion of their engagement will be deemed to have been invalidated out of service. https://indianarmy.nic.in/writereaddata/documents/GMO%202002.pdf
25 Jun 19, 02:37 PM
Sgt Walawalkar: Sgt. Vijayan Pillai Med/Asst (Read) expired on 21/06/2019 after a prolonged illness
25 Jun 19, 02:42 PM
HFO C Sukumaran: Ohm Shanthi
25 Jun 19, 02:50 PM
awadesh: @HFO sukumaran sir i salute U for yr depth Knowledge, sir your trade? i am wo ,SEW.most sufferer.thanks. :cool:
25 Jun 19, 02:51 PM
awadesh: Ohm shanti. :heart:
25 Jun 19, 02:54 PM
awadesh: served 29 yrs,all SQN.222,37,29,and 7.always on tarmac,T/D. what a life?
25 Jun 19, 02:57 PM
awadesh: @sgt.Walawalkar,so sad to read RIP,last salute to Vijayan pillai sir,ohm shanti.
25 Jun 19, 02:58 PM
H/Capt.Subramaniyan: HFO C.Sukumaran sir, It is very nice to see after a long gap, your valuable, clear cut and correct reply/advice to the needy veterans.I pray God to bless you and your family a very good health to help our community sir.
25 Jun 19, 03:13 PM
RCSarkar: Sad to know that the death of SGT Bijayan Pillai . RIP .
25 Jun 19, 03:53 PM
HFO C Sukumaran: @awadesh ji My trade is Clk GD