[older messages]
24 Jun 18, 04:53 PM
A.R.Naidu: It is nothing but Passing on Baby,like proposal as 60 62 years
24 Jun 18, 04:54 PM
A.R.Naidu: DNP sir this is for Army only not for other AF/Navy & the Ex; Quoted w.r.t Infantary if iam not Wrong
24 Jun 18, 04:55 PM
Narayanan Mariappan: To be on the point,a pesron governed by the rules which he singed for.It is as simple as it is.Not to correlate with the current pensioners.It does not any bearing on the present pensioners.OROP is an entirely different concept
24 Jun 18, 04:57 PM
Narayanan Mariappan: 24 Jun 18, 04:54 PM A.R.Naidu:Sir be it they implement for all the 3 sister forces.What is the impact on the present pensioners-nothing
24 Jun 18, 04:58 PM
A.R.Naidu: Nil Impact Sir
24 Jun 18, 05:02 PM
A.R.Naidu: Few Days Back i had discussion with one Sr.Army Officer Who was in Accts ;branch His view is if OROP is not Straight lined before July/2019 as Per OMJCs/ K.Commite it will never see the Correct avenue
24 Jun 18, 05:08 PM
Narayanan Mariappan: 24 Jun 18, 05:02 PM A.R.Naidu:True ,it is a matter of serious concern and we should focus on this issue and persuade the govt to implement it in the right direction
24 Jun 18, 05:11 PM
DNPatnaik: Narayanan sir, Govt is definitely going to save 50% of LPD X Number of retirees x5yrs +frequent recruitment/trg expenses
24 Jun 18, 05:19 PM
A.R.Naidu: Sir if Govt; is Really welfare minded towards Jawans as Repeatedly Quoted by Hon.PM.Sir & he himself Commited to pay the Balance Then Two things should be Implemenred (1) OROP as per DGL /OMJCs (2) Every year , other wise our present BP is Doing Long Jump once in 5 years which is nothing but Bridgeing the gap to catch up with Present Pensioners
24 Jun 18, 05:20 PM
snc: Initial training in defence services is a need for the service. So service period can not be discarded For that specific time.
24 Jun 18, 05:24 PM
snc: This is not a Temporary/Permanent type service.
24 Jun 18, 05:26 PM
Narayanan Mariappan: 24 Jun 18, 05:11 PM DNPatnaik:Govt does not save but post pone that expenditure and the liability remains,you kow ell that liabilty is not written off as you calim.In addition the nation loses in terms vital force which is far more important if you want to win the war.
24 Jun 18, 05:30 PM
Md H Ali Ex Airman: Gopala sir,kaash aaj aap iss CB par hote,kitni hot discussion(Above 45 degree C) chal rahi hai,mudda garam hai new proposed qualifying pension service per.Your hot seat is vacate mean this CB is vacate by your outstanding comments.
24 Jun 18, 05:43 PM
Md H Ali Ex Airman: Anyone army veteran who can clear that what is the current initial-engagement period of service in Indian army for Jawans/officers.
24 Jun 18, 05:46 PM
Md H Ali Ex Airman: My u/g daughter has very much eager to join army.
24 Jun 18, 06:39 PM
Chief Editor: A JOKE http://www.india.com/news/india/7th-pay-commission-latest-news-today-50-lakh-central-government-employees-likely-to-get-hike-in-basic-pay-in-august-3127617/
24 Jun 18, 06:47 PM
HFO C Sukumaran: As per PR for Army, Air Force and Navy, The minimum qualifying service to earn pension is 20 years in case of Commissioned Officer and 15 years in the case Personnel Below Officer Rank. Is this the reason for the proposal?
24 Jun 18, 07:00 PM
A.R.Naidu: MD H Ali sir give me your Cell no;
24 Jun 18, 07:02 PM
HFO C Sukumaran: Respected CE Sir, JOKEs will keep appearing to keep the CGEs under control!
24 Jun 18, 07:08 PM
A.R.Naidu: This news nothing but Sentimes Modified Version
24 Jun 18, 07:23 PM
AAPADMANABH: Good evening veteran friends.
24 Jun 18, 07:36 PM
A.R.Naidu: AAP sir good evening
24 Jun 18, 08:05 PM
GOPALAN K M: CE Sir;as per court verdict,the pension will be 50% of the BP last drawn.Then how the MOD/AHQ/DGInf can modify the rule in existence.
24 Jun 18, 08:21 PM
GSK: Good Evening to all my seniors n my friends, with due respect i want to put forward few words, there are very few persons who are only interested about a special SOMEONE where as in this blog too many seniors , knowledgebal , wel behaved are available , why we must be interested of a SOMEONE SPECIAL one , when an action has been taken and it was a welcom decision by our RESPECTED CE SIR , no qustion does not arise for a safe return of so call gentleman - JAI HIND
24 Jun 18, 08:27 PM
GOPALAN K M: Sirs; Terms of engagement and qualifying service are two different issues.As per the court verdict the qualifying service for pension is 15yrs.Those who are retiring after rendering the said service are eligible for the pen of 50% of the BP last drawn.
24 Jun 18, 08:40 PM
DNPatnaik: I specifically request KPC Reddy sir to throw some light and clear the doubts of all of us in connection with the letter pasted on the centre of this blog. Regards
24 Jun 18, 08:55 PM
Abhijit Pal Choudhury: Good evening CE Sir, DNP sir And all the learned veterans.In my view a new policy which is now yet to be matured, cannot be overlap the existing pension policy. It is to ready reckoner for present serving personnel
24 Jun 18, 09:02 PM
Narayanan Mariappan: 24 Jun 18, 08:05 PM GOPALAN K M:Courts deal with the litigations arsing out of policies/implementataions of pension system.No where the courts determines the amount of pension
24 Jun 18, 09:11 PM
Prodip Mondal: Dear Sir, Pasted letter is concentrating to all inf record offices. we need not break our head on cited matter. Keep cool, Jai Maa Durga.
24 Jun 18, 09:12 PM
KPC Reddy: good evening to all veterans. with due respect to HFO Sukumaran sir would like to convey that ,the minimum eligibility period for receipt of pension is 10 years.A government servant retiring in accordance with the pension Rules is entitled on completion of at least 10 years of qualifying service. For civilians and officers to get 50% of pension minimum service is 20 years and PBORs 15 years.
24 Jun 18, 09:18 PM
KPC Reddy: @ DNP sir request with my minimum knowledge of Army terms of engagements and plain reading of the letter in center page i feel that, The proposal is only for PMR cases. Its not applicable to people retire on completion of regular terms of employment. Hence all those retired and retiring at 15 years need not to worry presently or in future. The letter is also not very clear. this proposal is being made to discourage PMR cases. Other learned veterans especially from Army may further supplement.
24 Jun 18, 09:22 PM
DNPatnaik: Thanks Reddy sir for your valuable comment.
24 Jun 18, 09:32 PM
DNPatnaik: Thanks to all the participants. Today we had a very constructive discussion. Although the letter in first sight has frightened us but at the same time the same is neither a beneficial one nor a lose maker one. Very nice and good night to all.
24 Jun 18, 09:36 PM
Babu g: Sir,how many army vets get re employed,less than 5% of a 60 k yearly,and most of them ends up as private sgs,a sad state of affairs,and army loosing senior vets,may be all this behind new decision to increase te
24 Jun 18, 09:38 PM
Babu g: And am not saddens by this proposal
24 Jun 18, 09:56 PM
Narayanan Mariappan: 24 Jun 18, 09:12 PM KPC Reddy:There is a correction.10 year service required for pension,provided that employee attains super anuation with 10 year service . otherwise not
25 Jun 18, 04:42 AM
TD Kalidas: Dear Veterans, GOOD MORNING. Have a Nice Day.
25 Jun 18, 04:43 AM
A.R.Naidu: Good morning to all Veterans
25 Jun 18, 05:56 AM
BCS: Good Morning to all brothers & wish for a pleasant day.
25 Jun 18, 06:20 AM
KAMESWARARAO: Good morning Naidu garu.
25 Jun 18, 06:52 AM
Vivek: Why seventh pay commission not included commissioned official for suggestions. We can guess from fresh letter. Jai Hind sir
25 Jun 18, 06:57 AM
RC Sarkar: Good morning to CE Sir and all other respected veteransand their families.Have a plasent day. To day is raining here in Kalyani.
25 Jun 18, 07:36 AM
PSRao: Good morning to all
25 Jun 18, 07:37 AM
PSRao: GOI
25 Jun 18, 07:37 AM
PSRao: Very bad step
25 Jun 18, 07:40 AM
PSRao: these all after effects of OROP agitation
25 Jun 18, 07:48 AM
PSRao: term of engagement and pensionory service both are different
25 Jun 18, 07:51 AM
PSRao: Naidu garu Gopala sir James sir good morning
25 Jun 18, 07:51 AM
ARCS: Good Morning to all AFVs and VNs! http://www.paramnews.com/2018/06/7th-pay-commission-pay-scales-latest-updates.html
25 Jun 18, 07:57 AM
JAMES: Good Morning to all Veterans & have a Beautiful Day
25 Jun 18, 07:59 AM
JAMES: Good Morning to Naidu Garu, PSR garu
25 Jun 18, 08:05 AM
AAPADMANABH: Good morning vetearn friends.
25 Jun 18, 09:36 AM
A.R.Naidu: Good morning sir
25 Jun 18, 09:39 AM
A.R.Naidu: PSR garu on Pretex of PMR in Inf; more they want some breathing time to Re-Coup financial Resourses
25 Jun 18, 09:41 AM
A.R.Naidu: The bad proposal is not Counting the Trg;Period
25 Jun 18, 09:44 AM
A.R.Naidu: Govt; should think of increaseing Percentage of ESM quota atleast by25% in Gp C + GP D
25 Jun 18, 09:47 AM
A.R.Naidu: Yesterday in BSF Tech; Cadre Adv; is there 10% for ESM , but all posts are L-3 Scales
25 Jun 18, 09:48 AM
A.R.Naidu: At least in defence production units 50% must be for Veterans, Keeping in View of Makein India Installations
25 Jun 18, 10:04 AM
A.R.Naidu: CSDs to supply Uniform Clothes of Raymonds Fabrics ,@ Rs 600/- for one Pair as Per AVM. M.Baladitya CSD General Manager & Chairman Keeping in View of 7 CPC Rec; of Uniform All;@ Rs 10,000/- P.a
25 Jun 18, 10:18 AM
A.R.Naidu: After 7 CPC almost all CG establishments are in the Process of atleast one step Upgradation in Financial benifits , Now Rlys are in the process of granting GP-B status Gaz;/non-Gz for 300 Sr.Sup; Cadre by Upgrding GP-4600-/- to GP-4800/- So No Govt; Bothers for welfare of AF , even Nurseing Offrs GP is increased to GP-6600/- baseing on 6CPC GP
25 Jun 18, 10:44 AM
R Pathy: Good morning to all..
25 Jun 18, 10:45 AM
R Pathy: I hope the letter of Dte of Inf has asked comments/views of all Record Offices..
25 Jun 18, 10:47 AM
R Pathy: Once the comments/views will be received, final decision will be taken. I think who have already came under PMR will not affect.. It may affect the personnel who will come on PMR hereinafter...
25 Jun 18, 10:57 AM
R Pathy: Seniors like Naidu Sir can put light on this please..
25 Jun 18, 10:59 AM
Narayanan Mariappan: God alone knows who sends comments?If at it sent,who cares to take it into account for critical review? We are ignorant and it is a bliss
25 Jun 18, 11:06 AM
R Pathy: It's in the hand of officer who is sitting in a position to write comments...
25 Jun 18, 11:07 AM
DNPatnaik: Pyare bhaion sabko Namaste. Aap sabka din sir hapta achhise nikle. I am also in the same opinion of Narayanan sir at 9:56 PM on 24/6/18.
25 Jun 18, 11:13 AM
A.R.Naidu: Only the future PMRs will be under this Implementation
25 Jun 18, 11:15 AM
A.R.Naidu: It is clear already Verbal Clearance/Nod by MOD & CAS , Because the letter is Add; to Record Offices
25 Jun 18, 11:59 AM
Chief Editor: As per the Examples given in center page Pre- 2016 HAV & Below Ranks having 20 years & below is not benefited by Notional pay Method.
25 Jun 18, 12:29 PM
HFOBLKalra: Good A/N CE Sir & friends- It is not only Nk & Hav rank but ORs/JCOs/HCOs will be loser by Notional Pay method. Let's. therefore, not be optimistic of getting any benefit when concordance tables are issued. However, there is a hope of getting some benefit by OROP 2.0 (2019 version) because Gen.Elections are going to be a tough fight. My assessment is based on Dr.MM Singh's announcement of 7 CPC & OROP just before 2014 elections. Powers that be will do their best to lure ESM (vote-bank).
25 Jun 18, 12:29 PM
HFOBLKalra: Correct me if you please.
25 Jun 18, 12:33 PM
R Pathy: @CE Sir. It means PMR retirees less than their terms & engagements won't get any benefit from this???.....
25 Jun 18, 12:38 PM
A.R.Naidu: Sir let us wait even if CGDA corrects OROP Circuilar even keeping Mean value, a Hav; of 24 years Y Gp must be fixed with BP of Rs 9093/- not Rs 7808/- because the Fixation is Vague because the Diff; of Two GPs is by Rs 700/- w.r.t X-GP pay if iam not Wrong For X-Gp Sgt is Rs 9793/- for 24 yrs
25 Jun 18, 12:41 PM
Chief Editor: I Strongly support the views Expressed by our Respected HFO Kalra Sir
25 Jun 18, 12:57 PM
HFOBLKalra: Friends. I remember a case, when an airman was advised to opt for extension of service if he wanted to retire from Air Force because he was not entitled for pension after 15 yrs of service. How & Why? any clues? Yes. The airman had joined AF before attaining the age of 18 and any service rendered before attaining the age of 18 is not counted for pension. This is how they cut our throat when we want to quit the AF. Now too, they have hinted that Trg period will not count for pension purpose.**
25 Jun 18, 12:58 PM
Nilima ganguly: K.P.C.Reddy Sir, my husband was a nb.sub,gr-B,QS-24, As per cir.430 , Nb Sub was getting pension 9382 from 1.7.09 to 23.09.12. But at that period i was getting family pension 4998 . But as per M.B.Chandran Menon's report dated 22.6.18 regarding family pension is 30% of a prnsio
25 Jun 18, 01:00 PM
HFOBLKalra: **Like that some our innovating methods may be adopted to stop PMR. As you know, PMR is granted only on compassionate ground or medical ground. However, let's pray that Army does not resort to back-door method of reduction of pension of PMR cases.
25 Jun 18, 01:05 PM
Nilima ganguly: Pensioner's basic pay i.e. 60% of pensioner's basic pension and it is mandatory. So I should get 5630 insted of 4998 w.e.f. 1.7.09 . So to solve the anomalies please guide me to do. Thanking You.
25 Jun 18, 01:07 PM
A.R.Naidu: HFO.BL.Kalra Sir good afternoon Pl; Clear Madam Nilima Gangulys Quiry
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